Reworked Branding #3940

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AFCMS · 2023-09-16T20:30:28+02:00

AFCMS commented

2023-09-16 20:30:28 +02:00

MineClone2 changing it's name (#3897) and moving to Codeberg at the same time is the moment for a general rebranding IMO.

New Logo + Header

I think our logo is not bad, but it depend on the Pixel Perfection textures and it makes sense changing it together with the name.

A vector logo would look more modern and be easier to scale up and down. A logo with the same art style as the Minetest logo would look nice, but if they eventually change their logo if they want to change their name too, the style will probably mismatch again so it can be a better idea to not follow this.

The header will need to be changed in any case if we eventually change the name, so we could also consider reworking its style. It looks really nice currently IMO, so we could just tweaks the colors a little bit to move away from PP colors and match the new logo.

Website

I think it would be really nice for MineClone2 to have it's own website instead of just relying onto Mesehub, ContentDB and the Minetest Forum for web searches. Making our own website will allow better SEO and also present the game more freely than what we can do on the CDB page for exemple. Codeberg have a Pages feature that basically allow publishing our website for free (or with a very low cost for a custom domain name), even if using a SSG instead of building the files by hand. I have some web development experience, so I can help building this if needed.

Consistent YouTube videos

Currently, our videos are not "bad", but could be much better.

The first videos I made were using Blender entirely, which is a pretty uncommon choice so when somebody else took on him the video creation, other software was used and the video was a completely different style. The style I used is really not great (animations were way too simple, thumbnails were using this ugly and boring dirt background instead of a great ingame picture, etc), but the newest video (that were not great, not bad either) using a completely different style is looking weird IMO in the YouTube video list.

I think we should discuss the style of the entire mcl2 branding and build a consistent set of guidelines and assets that can be used with ease in any final video editing software.

I have got a huge PC upgrade since I made the past videos, so I can make much higher quality video recordings if needed.

Move away from PixelPerfection?

We moved from 1.12 to latest MC target, we had a lot of copied texture issues with the 1.12+ version of PP, some textures from the original one even have weird looking color or design (#334).

I suggest in the future, since we have a funding platform and by moving to Codeberg no longer heavy infrastructure cost, that we can actually pay a professional pixel artist (like Zughy, which give a discount for foss projects) for remaking all of our current texture in an original style.

I don't know how much it can cost, but considering the amount of additional visibility can be given to the funding platform by adding it to ContentDB, building a website, doing more advertisement in general, etc. I think it may be possible if not now in the future.

Clearly provide our branding resources

I think we should share on a separate git repository, some kind of "press kit" with all the branding resources, logo, header, youtube templates, etc. both source files and final output, so it will become much easier for people who would like to access these elements. Currently we have blender files in the main repository which is not great since they are not a part of the game and they are difficult to find for people that are not in the development team.

MineClone2 changing it's name (#3897) and moving to Codeberg at the same time is the moment for a general rebranding IMO. ## New Logo + Header I think our logo is not bad, but it depend on the Pixel Perfection textures and it makes sense changing it together with the name. A vector logo would look more modern and be easier to scale up and down. A logo with the same art style as the Minetest logo would look nice, but if they eventually change their logo if they want to change their name too, the style will probably mismatch again so it can be a better idea to not follow this. The header will need to be changed in any case if we eventually change the name, so we could also consider reworking its style. It looks really nice currently IMO, so we could just tweaks the colors a little bit to move away from PP colors and match the new logo. ## Website I think it would be really nice for MineClone2 to have it's own website instead of just relying onto Mesehub, ContentDB and the Minetest Forum for web searches. Making our own website will allow better SEO and also present the game more freely than what we can do on the CDB page for exemple. Codeberg have a [Pages](https://docs.codeberg.org/codeberg-pages/) feature that basically allow publishing our website for free (or with a very low cost for a custom domain name), even if using a SSG instead of building the files by hand. I have some web development experience, so I can help building this if needed. ## Consistent YouTube videos Currently, our videos are not "bad", but could be _much_ better. The first videos I made were using Blender entirely, which is a pretty uncommon choice so when somebody else took on him the video creation, other software was used and the video was a completely different style. The style I used is really not great (animations were way too simple, thumbnails were using this ugly and boring dirt background instead of a great ingame picture, etc), but the newest video (that were not great, not bad either) using a completely different style is looking weird IMO in the YouTube video list. I think we should discuss the style of the entire mcl2 branding and build a consistent set of guidelines and assets that can be used with ease in any final video editing software. I have got a huge PC upgrade since I made the past videos, so I can make much higher quality video recordings if needed. ## Move away from PixelPerfection? We moved from 1.12 to latest MC target, we had a lot of copied texture issues with the 1.12+ version of PP, some textures from the original one even have weird looking color or design (#334). I suggest in the future, since we have a funding platform and by moving to Codeberg no longer heavy infrastructure cost, that we can actually pay a professional pixel artist (like [Zughy](https://mastodon.social/@zughy_boi), which give a discount for foss projects) for remaking all of our current texture in an original style. I don't know how much it can cost, but considering the amount of additional visibility can be given to the funding platform by adding it to ContentDB, building a website, doing more advertisement in general, etc. I think it may be possible if not now in the future. ## Clearly provide our branding resources I think we should share on a separate git repository, some kind of "press kit" with **all** the branding resources, logo, header, youtube templates, etc. both source files and final output, so it will become much easier for people who would like to access these elements. Currently we have blender files in the main repository which is not great since they are not a part of the game and they are difficult to find for people that are not in the development team.

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Do not misappropriate past donations that were explicitly given to fund MeseHub!

See mesehub/meta#4 (comment) for context how the donation page came to be and see mesehub/meta#4 (comment) for a comment from a donor who donated 450$ and obviously is not pleased with the proposal from @AFCMS.

@ancientmarinerdev I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but if you control the funds, you should ask one. Even if it is legal, you would squander the goodwill of donors if you used funds given for one purpose (hosting) to fund another one (making pixel art).

> MineClone2 changing it's name (#3897) and moving to Codeberg at the same time When was this decided and by whom? > I suggest in the future, since we have a funding platform and by moving to Codeberg no longer heavy infrastructure cost, that we can actually pay a professional pixel artist (like Zughy, which give a discount for foss projects) for remaking all of our current texture in an original style. # Do not misappropriate past donations that were explicitly given to fund MeseHub! See https://git.minetest.land/mesehub/meta/issues/4#issue-3921 for context how the donation page came to be and see https://git.minetest.land/mesehub/meta/issues/4#issuecomment-71673 for a comment from a donor who donated 450$ and obviously is not pleased with the proposal from @AFCMS. @ancientmarinerdev I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but if you control the funds, you should ask one. Even if it is legal, you would squander the goodwill of donors if you used funds given for one purpose (hosting) to fund another one (making pixel art).

Michieal commented

2023-09-17 10:44:58 +02:00

Wow, now there's a leap... Yes, Cora gave $450 a while ago to provide structure funding for Mesehub. As far as I know, that all went to Taco Tex Mex to cover costs of hosting the docker image that we know and love as here. I'd hazard a guess that it's all but gone.

You act as if there's a gold filled back account out there, and that Ancient is going to squander it all away on "Blackjack, Hookers and Blow!" (to borrow from futurerama). Lmao. The immediate conclusions that people like you jump to, especially when you don't get your way, always amazes me and often times amuses me greatly.

Cora has already stated that she thinks that her donation should stay with Mesehub, so... want to lay off being a drama whore, @erlehmann ?

I mean, so not a becoming look for one so... yeah, I can't come up with a positive trait for you, sorry.

Also, if it hasn't been used up, it's rightfully Taco Tex Mex's for shouldering the burden of running the system for a few years on his own. But, that is just my opinion.

I will say this, Setting up a new means to fund the server structure and web hosting for the Software product soon to be formerly known as Mineclone 2 would be a good idea. Especially considering, I wouldn't want to make a donation to support the project and then have someone like Erlehmann (or even Cora) to misappropriate it for their own purposes. So, keeping it separate and away from the hands of those who would abuse it is indeed a forefront priority.

Please note, that nowhere in here would I ever say or think that Taco Tex Mex would misappropriate funds. I am directly looking at the person who IMMEDIATELY jumped to the conclusion, showing what He would do, given the chance.

Wow, now there's a leap... Yes, Cora gave $450 a while ago to provide structure funding for Mesehub. As far as I know, that all went to Taco Tex Mex to cover costs of hosting the docker image that we know and love as here. I'd hazard a guess that it's all but gone. You act as if there's a gold filled back account out there, and that Ancient is going to squander it all away on "Blackjack, Hookers and Blow!" (to borrow from futurerama). Lmao. The immediate conclusions that people like you jump to, especially when you don't get your way, always amazes me and often times amuses me greatly. Cora has already stated that she thinks that her donation should stay with Mesehub, so... want to lay off being a drama whore, @erlehmann ? I mean, so not a becoming look for one so... yeah, I can't come up with a positive trait for you, sorry. Also, if it hasn't been used up, it's rightfully Taco Tex Mex's for shouldering the burden of running the system for a few years on his own. But, that is just my opinion. I will say this, Setting up a new means to fund the server structure and web hosting for the Software product soon to be formerly known as Mineclone 2 would be a good idea. Especially considering, I wouldn't want to make a donation to support the project and then have someone like Erlehmann (or even Cora) to misappropriate it for their own purposes. So, keeping it separate and away from the hands of those who would abuse it is indeed a forefront priority. Please note, that nowhere in here would I ever say or think that Taco Tex Mex would misappropriate funds. I am directly looking at the person who IMMEDIATELY jumped to the conclusion, showing what He would do, given the chance.

erle commented

2023-09-17 11:15:28 +02:00

Wow, now there's a leap... Yes, Cora gave $450 a while ago to provide structure funding for Mesehub. As far as I know, that all went to Taco Tex Mex to cover costs of hosting the docker image that we know and love as here. I'd hazard a guess that it's all but gone.

You act as if there's a gold filled back account out there, and that Ancient is going to squander it all away on "Blackjack, Hookers and Blow!" (to borrow from futurerama). Lmao. The immediate conclusions that people like you jump to, especially when you don't get your way, always amazes me and often times amuses me greatly.

I have not donated money. I am simply making the maintainer aware of a problem with the proposal and urge them to consider legal advice before using existing funds to cover expenses for new plans.

Cora has already stated that she thinks that her donation should stay with Mesehub, so... want to lay off being a drama whore, @erlehmann ?

The code of conduct clearly states that it “use of sexualized language or imagery, and sexual attention or advances of any kind” and “Trolling, insulting or derogatory comments, and personal or political attacks” are unacceptable behavior.

Calling me a whore can reasonably be seen as both. @ancientmarinerdev do you have something to say about this CoC breach?

That being said, I am not a whore. I may have had sex with people to get something out of it on a few occasions, but that does not make me a whore anymore than painting a few fences makes someone a painter or writing a few bad computer programs makes someone a programmer.

I mean, so not a becoming look for one so... yeah, I can't come up with a positive trait for you, sorry.

Have you tried demonstrating empathy and kindness toward other people?

Also, if it hasn't been used up, it's rightfully Taco Tex Mex's for shouldering the burden of running the system for a few years on his own. But, that is just my opinion.

I agree. Past donations should go to TacoTexMex for MeseHub. The donation page was just setup badly.

I will say this, Setting up a new means to fund the server structure and web hosting for the Software product soon to be formerly known as Mineclone 2 would be a good idea. Especially considering, I wouldn't want to make a donation to support the project and then have someone like Erlehmann (or even Cora) to misappropriate it for their own purposes. So, keeping it separate and away from the hands of those who would abuse it is indeed a forefront priority.

This seems like another insult to me. I am not aware of either me or cora misappropriating any funds, ever.

Please note, that nowhere in here would I ever say or think that Taco Tex Mex would misappropriate funds. I am directly looking at the person who IMMEDIATELY jumped to the conclusion, showing what He would do, given the chance.

I'd prefer not to be referred to as a “He”.

> Wow, now there's a leap... Yes, Cora gave $450 a while ago to provide structure funding for Mesehub. As far as I know, that all went to Taco Tex Mex to cover costs of hosting the docker image that we know and love as here. I'd hazard a guess that it's all but gone. > > You act as if there's a gold filled back account out there, and that Ancient is going to squander it all away on "Blackjack, Hookers and Blow!" (to borrow from futurerama). Lmao. The immediate conclusions that people like you jump to, especially when you don't get your way, always amazes me and often times amuses me greatly. I have not donated money. I am simply making the maintainer aware of a problem with the proposal and urge them to consider legal advice before using existing funds to cover expenses for new plans. > Cora has already stated that she thinks that her donation should stay with Mesehub, so... want to lay off being a drama whore, @erlehmann ? The code of conduct clearly states that it “use of sexualized language or imagery, and sexual attention or advances of any kind” and “Trolling, insulting or derogatory comments, and personal or political attacks” are unacceptable behavior. Calling me a whore can reasonably be seen as both. @ancientmarinerdev do you have something to say about this CoC breach? That being said, I am not a whore. I may have had sex with people to get something out of it on a few occasions, but that does not make me a whore anymore than painting a few fences makes someone a painter or writing a few bad computer programs makes someone a programmer. > I mean, so not a becoming look for one so... yeah, I can't come up with a positive trait for you, sorry. Have you tried demonstrating empathy and kindness toward other people? > Also, if it hasn't been used up, it's rightfully Taco Tex Mex's for shouldering the burden of running the system for a few years on his own. But, that is just my opinion. I agree. Past donations should go to TacoTexMex for MeseHub. The donation page was just setup badly. > I will say this, Setting up a new means to fund the server structure and web hosting for the Software product soon to be formerly known as Mineclone 2 would be a good idea. Especially considering, I wouldn't want to make a donation to support the project and then have someone like Erlehmann (or even Cora) to misappropriate it for their own purposes. So, keeping it separate and away from the hands of those who would abuse it is indeed a forefront priority. This seems like another insult to me. I am not aware of either me or cora misappropriating any funds, ever. > Please note, that nowhere in here would I ever say or think that Taco Tex Mex would misappropriate funds. I am directly looking at the person who IMMEDIATELY jumped to the conclusion, showing what He would do, given the chance. I'd prefer not to be referred to as a “He”.

ancientmarinerdev commented

2023-09-17 14:59:33 +02:00

MineClone2 changing it's name (#3897) and moving to Codeberg at the same time

When was this decided and by whom?

I suggest in the future, since we have a funding platform and by moving to Codeberg no longer heavy infrastructure cost, that we can actually pay a professional pixel artist (like Zughy, which give a discount for foss projects) for remaking all of our current texture in an original style.

Do not misappropriate past donations that were explicitly given to fund MeseHub!

See mesehub/meta#4 (comment) for context how the donation page came to be and see mesehub/meta#4 (comment) for a comment from a donor who donated 450$ and obviously is not pleased with the proposal from @AFCMS.

@ancientmarinerdev I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but if you control the funds, you should ask one. Even if it is legal, you would squander the goodwill of donors if you used funds given for one purpose (hosting) to fund another one (making pixel art).

Mesehub is creaking at the seems, it has ground to a halt on multiple occassions. Taco has expressed a desire to eventually taken it down and would be keen for projects to move away from it. We cannot continue using a platform if the hoster no longer wants to manage it. I know you have a project hosted there, and I strong suggest you consider migrating across if you want these projects to remain around long term.

Nowhere on the OC page does it mention being only for hosting. It may have sparked it's usage, but it's for the overall project. The money raised previously will still likely be used for hosting as it is not a straightforward process to switch. Secondly, we will need a website and a dev server that may cost, so the funding will still likely be used for hosting purposes.

I appreciate you raising this concern, and if the any donor would like to message me privately if they had this intention, I will consider this very seriously and with best intentions try to ensure that portion of funding goes towards hosting. So far we have spent $485.06 USD on hosting, and more is owed, and if for example Cora would like all of that contribution to go to Mesehub, I can assure her that funding was used for that purpose.

> > MineClone2 changing it's name (#3897) and moving to Codeberg at the same time > > When was this decided and by whom? > > > I suggest in the future, since we have a funding platform and by moving to Codeberg no longer heavy infrastructure cost, that we can actually pay a professional pixel artist (like Zughy, which give a discount for foss projects) for remaking all of our current texture in an original style. > > # Do not misappropriate past donations that were explicitly given to fund MeseHub! > > See https://git.minetest.land/mesehub/meta/issues/4#issue-3921 for context how the donation page came to be and see https://git.minetest.land/mesehub/meta/issues/4#issuecomment-71673 for a comment from a donor who donated 450$ and obviously is not pleased with the proposal from @AFCMS. > > @ancientmarinerdev I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but if you control the funds, you should ask one. Even if it is legal, you would squander the goodwill of donors if you used funds given for one purpose (hosting) to fund another one (making pixel art). Mesehub is creaking at the seems, it has ground to a halt on multiple occassions. Taco has expressed a desire to eventually taken it down and would be keen for projects to move away from it. We cannot continue using a platform if the hoster no longer wants to manage it. I know you have a project hosted there, and I strong suggest you consider migrating across if you want these projects to remain around long term. Nowhere on the OC page does it mention being only for hosting. It may have sparked it's usage, but it's for the overall project. The money raised previously will still likely be used for hosting as it is not a straightforward process to switch. Secondly, we will need a website and a dev server that may cost, so the funding will still likely be used for hosting purposes. I appreciate you raising this concern, and if the any donor would like to message me privately if they had this intention, I will consider this very seriously and with best intentions try to ensure that portion of funding goes towards hosting. So far we have spent $485.06 USD on hosting, and more is owed, and if for example Cora would like all of that contribution to go to Mesehub, I can assure her that funding was used for that purpose.

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ancientmarinerdev referenced this issue from mesehub/meta

2023-09-17 15:13:42 +02:00

MineClone2 OpenCollective #4

ancientmarinerdev commented

2023-09-17 15:22:21 +02:00

Secondly, Michieal, please retract the name calling. erle, I appreciate you raising the problem, but not the way it was done. When you raise a valid point but in a way used to undermine folk, it often loses it's purpose and power. I think you need to tone it down a bit here, as you've been going heavy on multiple issues now. I don't have the time or patience for this and will just delete escalations in future. I was tempted to edit out the name calling keep this on topic, but then you'd sulk and claim censorship again. I will in future as, if Kabou taught me anything, it is that responding constantly to drama doesn't help to decrease the amount.

Let's keep this on topic, and civil. Respond to the point and not the person.

Secondly, Michieal, please retract the name calling. erle, I appreciate you raising the problem, but not the way it was done. When you raise a valid point but in a way used to undermine folk, it often loses it's purpose and power. I think you need to tone it down a bit here, as you've been going heavy on multiple issues now. I don't have the time or patience for this and will just delete escalations in future. I was tempted to edit out the name calling keep this on topic, but then you'd sulk and claim censorship again. I will in future as, if Kabou taught me anything, it is that responding constantly to drama doesn't help to decrease the amount. ### Let's keep this on topic, and civil. Respond to the point and not the person.

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ancientmarinerdev commented

2023-09-17 15:36:02 +02:00

Final point. Moving to Codeberg will not happen at the same time as the rename. As much as I'd want it to happen there is a bug in the migration script. If we moved now, we'd lose every PR and every issue. That is a cost too great atm. As much as I'd like to close down every issue, it's probably not ideal. Only devs see code repos so they don't have to really have the same name. We could call our repo pinkfluffyelephants and most users would be none the wiser :).

Either way, our hosting costs will likely continue for a period of time in the future.

Final point. Moving to Codeberg will not happen at the same time as the rename. As much as I'd want it to happen there is a bug in the migration script. If we moved now, we'd lose every PR and every issue. That is a cost too great atm. As much as I'd like to close down every issue, it's probably not ideal. Only devs see code repos so they don't have to really have the same name. We could call our repo pinkfluffyelephants and most users would be none the wiser :). Either way, our hosting costs will likely continue for a period of time in the future.

Michieal commented

2023-09-17 21:23:19 +02:00

Secondly, Michieal, please retract the name calling.

Okay. @erlehmann I retract calling you a whore. I apologize to sex workers everywhere for making the comparison. I should have said something different, but I respect llamas too much. Sorry.

> Secondly, Michieal, please retract the name calling. Okay. @erlehmann I retract calling you a whore. I apologize to sex workers everywhere for making the comparison. I should have said something different, but I respect llamas too much. Sorry.

Michieal commented

2023-09-17 21:34:32 +02:00

I have not donated money. I am simply making the maintainer aware of a problem with the proposal and urge them to consider legal advice before using existing funds to cover expenses for new plans.

You immediately jumped to the conclusion that the funds would be misappropriated and misused. And, the apparent visible reason for this was to sow discord into the discussion - Hence it being the size of the Eiffel tower. Being that it was your outright initial reaction, the logical conclusion is that to you, it couldn't be anything else and that says volumes about you, not the current maintainer.

The code of conduct clearly states that it “use of sexualized language or imagery, and sexual attention or advances of any kind” and “Trolling, insulting or derogatory comments, and personal or political attacks” are unacceptable behavior.

Calling me a whore can reasonably be seen as both. @ancientmarinerdev do you have something to say about this CoC breach?

See above. It was retracted.

That being said, I am not a whore. I may have had sex with people to get something out of it on a few occasions, but that does not make me a whore anymore than painting a few fences makes someone a painter or writing a few bad computer programs makes someone a programmer.

wait... so you're a bad whore? I'm confused here. lol. (Edit: totally missed that the first time around.)

I mean, so not a becoming look for one so... yeah, I can't come up with a positive trait for you, sorry.

Have you tried demonstrating empathy and kindness toward other people?

Many times, and I would wholeheartedly encourage you to take your own advice! In fact, I try it every time I respond to something. Hence, me actually addressing certain points here.

Also, if it hasn't been used up, it's rightfully Taco Tex Mex's for shouldering the burden of running the system for a few years on his own. But, that is just my opinion.

I agree. Past donations should go to TacoTexMex for MeseHub. The donation page was just setup badly.

This part, I can agree with.

I will say this, Setting up a new means to fund the server structure and web hosting for the Software product soon to be formerly known as Mineclone 2 would be a good idea. Especially considering, I wouldn't want to make a donation to support the project and then have someone like Erlehmann (or even Cora) to misappropriate it for their own purposes. So, keeping it separate and away from the hands of those who would abuse it is indeed a forefront priority.

This seems like another insult to me. I am not aware of either me or cora misappropriating any funds, ever.

See above, in this comment. Your Screaming in level one header shows your intentions more than anything else.

I'd prefer not to be referred to as a “He”.

Sorry, but you have not given me (or anyone in your comments) you're preferred pronouns, if you'd care to express them, I will use them in future interactions.

Edit: I see that you have not offered your desired pronouns after a couple of weeks. When you do decide to offer them, I'll use them. Until such time, I will follow standard conventions and refer to you with common pronouns.

> I have not donated money. I am simply making the maintainer aware of a problem with the proposal and urge them to consider legal advice before using existing funds to cover expenses for new plans. You *immediately* jumped to the conclusion that the funds would be misappropriated and misused. And, the apparent visible reason for this was to sow discord into the discussion - Hence it being the size of the Eiffel tower. Being that it was your outright initial reaction, the logical conclusion is that to you, it couldn't be anything else and that says volumes about you, not the current maintainer. > The code of conduct clearly states that it “use of sexualized language or imagery, and sexual attention or advances of any kind” and “Trolling, insulting or derogatory comments, and personal or political attacks” are unacceptable behavior. > > Calling me a whore can reasonably be seen as both. @ancientmarinerdev do you have something to say about this CoC breach? See above. It was retracted. > That being said, I am not a whore. I may have had sex with people to get something out of it on a few occasions, but that does not make me a whore anymore than painting a few fences makes someone a painter or writing a few bad computer programs makes someone a programmer. wait... so you're a *bad whore*? I'm confused here. lol. (Edit: totally missed that the first time around.) > > I mean, so not a becoming look for one so... yeah, I can't come up with a positive trait for you, sorry. > > Have you tried demonstrating empathy and kindness toward other people? Many times, and ***I would wholeheartedly encourage you to take your own advice!*** In fact, I try it every time I respond to something. Hence, me actually addressing certain points here. > > Also, if it hasn't been used up, it's rightfully Taco Tex Mex's for shouldering the burden of running the system for a few years on his own. But, that is just my opinion. > > I agree. Past donations should go to TacoTexMex for MeseHub. The donation page was just setup badly. This part, I can agree with. > > I will say this, Setting up a new means to fund the server structure and web hosting for the Software product soon to be formerly known as Mineclone 2 would be a good idea. Especially considering, I wouldn't want to make a donation to support the project and then have someone like Erlehmann (or even Cora) to misappropriate it for their own purposes. So, keeping it separate and away from the hands of those who would abuse it is indeed a forefront priority. > > This seems like another insult to me. I am not aware of either me or cora misappropriating any funds, ever. See above, in this comment. Your Screaming in level one header shows your intentions more than anything else. > I'd prefer not to be referred to as a “He”. Sorry, but you have not given me (or anyone in your comments) you're preferred pronouns, if you'd care to express them, I will use them in future interactions. Edit: I see that you have not offered your desired pronouns after a couple of weeks. When you do decide to offer them, I'll use them. Until such time, I will follow standard conventions and refer to you with common pronouns.

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